WITHOUT A CLESSIA – The Called THERE CAN NOT BE AN ECCLESSIA
Out-call of the Called.
Now as we mentioned before the word Church does not exist in
the New Testament. We need to
see that the Church is not even derived from the Greek word
|The etymology for word Church is as follows: Old English -- cirice
"church," from W.Gmc. *kirika,
from Gk. kyriake (oikia) "Lord's (house)," from kyrios "ruler, lord." Gk. kyriakon
(adj.) "of the Lord" was used of houses of Christian
worship since c.300, especially in the East, though it
was less common in this sense than ekklesia or basilike. An example
of the direct Gk.-to-Gmc. progress of many Christian words,
via the Goths; it was probably used by W.Gmc. people in
their pre-Christian period. Also picked up by Slavic,
via Gmc. (cf. O.Slav. criky,
Rus. cerkov). Romance and
Celtic languages use variants of L. ecclesia.
Slang church key for "can or bottle opener" is from
1950s. Church-mouse, proverbial
in many languages for its poverty, is 1731 in Eng.
Let us look closer
at the Greek kyr-iake.
We are told that the word Church comes
from two words (Oikia
-- To build, make, or the building or house that has been
made) and (Kyrios
Ruler, or Lord.) Note that the modern word
derived fro, the Old English word Cir-ice
, from W GMC its Kir-ica Old Norwegian has it as Kirk-Ja Scholars agree
that the old english is derived from the Old
Saxon form kirika or
kerika. Scholars also agree that it is
important to note that these words were in use before Christianity
reached these any of these peoples.
The connection of all these
words are to the Greek word Circe and
pronounced “Seer-say”. This Greek word
is actually written as Kirkh
(Kirke) and usually pronounced as “keer-kay.”
The quotes above are not my words, all of this and
more can be found online – In studying this out I have found
there are a lot more Ancient European words for “Church” in
other languages with very similar spellings.
The problem is that
we have been told something different from "church
scholars" over the last few centuries as to the derivation
of word "Church" in english that flies in the face
of the word in all the European
languages, These scholars falsely state that the word church
comes from the Greek word kur-iakon or kyr-iake meaning "The
Lord's" or "The Lord's house" or "That
which belongs to the Lord".
This may sound good to our ears,
but it is simply not so. The false derivation we have posted
above is listed as such in all modern dictionaries and further
it has also been taught to be so in all the seminaries and
bible schools for at least the last three hundred years.
there are problems with this theory.
First the words kuriakon
and or Kyriake
are not used
even once in the Greek text of the Bible.
So if neither Christ nor the Apostles used the word,
question then comes: where did this word come from from?
And secondly the spelling is not
correct for the word Lord which in the New Testament is Kurios to be the word church
when upon examination of the old european words the english
is taken from that the the first sylables are
and Kir and not
This makes the etymology of the word Church
and its supposed meaning “house of the Lord” is then not possible,
but rather it was an insertion into english as a superword
that could be and was ascribed a new meaning for doctrinal
So if Cir-ice and Cir-ce are not “house of the Lord” then what
does the word Church really mean?
Now we have a body
of evidence before us in a group of old european languages.
We are told that all these
ancient languages have
a word that means Church. Scholars tell us that these words for "Church" some how predate
Christainity being preached to these european peoples – this
in itself is more than a bit odd. In these ancient Eeuropean
languages the word is spelled Circe, cirice, kirke,
and Kerka. We are particularly interested in the first
three letters of all these words
Cir, Cer, Kir, and Ker – because they
all point to a different word root than the Greek “KURios”
we are told is the word for Church’s origin.
Let us now examine
the suppostion of the writer that
Kyri –ake is Lord’s
house or House of the Lord – they
tell us that the Second word Ake
is Oikia and Oikos – A house or dwelling and it is used
of the spiritual house that is
In word use in the
new testament Oikos–domos
would be Oikes-Dunamus
and that is to edify or build a house –
Oiko-upos that is
Oikos -oupos the
keeper or guard of a house (Not a domestic who cleans house)
So that father’s house would read Oikes-Pater,
or House of God would read Oikes-Theos
or the House of the Lord would read Oikes-Kurios
so that we can plainly see that this in no way resembled Kur-Ke
or Chur-ch so this
word deriviation is not possible. And neither does this word
derivation agree with the spellings in the Old English
Old German Old French Old Latin Old Saxon these words do not
point to a common root of KYR
or KUR that would
have to be so that the parent word of these words in greek
woul be Kurios or Kyrios Lord or Master..
we repeat that when we search in
the New Testament we can absolutely find a word ker- iake is a working possible combination.
However in hand examining the Greek I found that old european first sylable
Ker is actually a hyphenated
form of the Greek word Keras – the word in the greek means: “a
or a “a
pointed projectile.” A horn in scripture
generally is used as a symbol of power.
The word Keras is used in Revelation 5:6 The significance
is two-fold, first I have read
Keras is the root that all these
old European laguages seem to point to. And secondly
the word Keras points to
several interesting verses of Scripture – to help us understand
the origin of the meaning of this word “Church.”
So what I am suggesting here is that the word “Church” is
derived from a compound
Greek word Keras-Oike or Ker-ke s which literally means “The house of Horn.” At first glance this
may sound a little crazy to our modern thinking. It seems
that the meaning of the word ker- ke
to do with what the pre-catholic Latin clergy
wanted to convey about this non-ecclessia word that
they created to define the beleviers that followed them.
5:6 And I beheld, and,
lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and
in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain,
having seven horns (Keras) and
seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth
into all the earth.
in Revelation chapters 2 –3 there are 7 Ecclesia with 7 angels
and 7 candlesticks. Now in chapter 5 we see a
lamb with 7 horns and 7 eyes.
notion that these 7 horns are the 7 eyes are 7 powerful Bishops
and their 7 powerful Churches is something that
would not be lost upon a pack of power hungry bishops. Bishops
who in their day may have been a little thin on the
authority when at the end of the second century they began
to make huge changes as in the rise of a professional
Levitical priesthood that had replaced the priesthood of all
believers, the introduction of synagogues, the
introduction of altars, and the subsequent the loss of spiritual
power and the gifts of the Spirit amid all that
order to do some of the things that they wanted to do that
were extra-biblical in nature. In other words they were
“unscriptural,” It appears they took the easiest route that
is they went and they redefined terms and where there are
no terms they create their own.
The clincher is that several
of the scholars the word Church the
Latin word is cirice
but it was pronounced Ker-iake or Ker-ike.
For me the clincher was when I read that scholars said the first appearance
of the word “Church”was
in the 2nd
what we have here is a Latin
secret word. Is there a precedence in the word
of God for secret words? Yes. The
– 3rd centuries and the
Latin word that was inserted was Cirice.
The scholars not
only acknowledge that but insist that Cirice
is not a Latin word but a Greek import.
And further these same scholars insist then that this
Greek word imported into Latin is
not pronounced Seer-Say as the Goddess’s name was pronounced,
but that Cirice
was instead pronounced Ker –Kay
which phonetically sounds like
or Ker-ke which would consist of two words that
plainly exist in the
New Testiment. Keras or Ker
and Oikes or ke.
The difference is the first word
is not Kur
or Lord as they claim bur Ker or Horn and the
second word is house or
dwelling of. And this testimony
of proper pronunciation is further backed-up in the old European
languages where they are pronounced the same way as the Latin
scholars insist regardless of the local European spellings.
name of God JHVH was a secret name, the names of certain Angels
of the Lord were secret names and there are
secret words on scrolls in the prophets.
In the New Testament there are also secret names given
and secret words and as it just so happens there is a particular
passage in the Book of Revelation that it of interest
here. The word Secret is used 65 times in the bible.
2:17 He that hath an ear,
let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To
him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden
manna, and will give him a white stone,
and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth.
What we have in this passage is that out from the ek-klessia there
is a further out-calling and those are called
overcomers. – And those among other things are given stone
that contains a secret name, which no man knoweth.
Peter (A small stone) was given a name but it was not secret,
other disciples like Paul were given new names but
they were not secret.
But of the Great whore – it is called Mystery
Babylon the word Mystery in the Greek is Mysterion.
Yet another unstranslated word in the New Testament. And
the word means Secret. The Great Whore of
Revelation is a religion that filled with secrets.
So we have here by the Catholics making a secret
that with this secret word they
able to declare all of their millions of members to be the
coveted ek-klessia rather than the few individual
believers within the Klesia – and so their priests only then
have to deal with guiding their followers to become
overcomers through the administration of what the Catholic
church tells us are mysteries. (Mysteries
mentioned above as being an untranslated Greek word used some
So when Catholics and Protestants alike give their buildings a secret
name ie. Church or as it was in Latin
Keer-kay -- the secret name doctrinally transforms Klesia
– to the coveted ek-klesia without one having to
seek or know the Lord. And all that are signed onto the scroll
that is within this local “Church” are therefore
declared saved by having sworn allegiance and oath to said Church
or Denomination. And
this is an
abomination this is part of the cup that
the great whore and all her daughters have been made
to drink deeply of.
As much as I would rather talk now about Christ and about us going
directly to Him as the only way to salvation,
and the only way to become in time a member of the ek-klesia;
I feel rather strongly that I must delve further into
these church defilements which all believers have been blinded
to for almost 1800 years.
you import a word from another language into your language
you give that word special
powers, and by
special powers we mean that you can define that word as you
Because Cirice is not a Latin word it does
not follow the Latin etymology, and because it is no longer
a Greek word it no longer follows the Greek etymology.
English has many such words and unfortunately many of those
words with special powers or special definitions
are contained within your bible translations designed to obscure
truth just a few of those words are Angel, Apostle,
Baptism, Prophet, Evangelist, Saint, Mystery, and Church,
lets look a little at the possible definitions that these
Catholic Bishops may have sought to convey with making the
deliberate choice of the “House of Horn” as the basis for
the word for “Church.”
there are the horns themselves. Horns in bible prophecy as
we already mentioned are a symbol of power.
And in end-time prophecy there are lots of things with horns
not the least of which is a lamb with seven eyes and
seven horns. This would seem to allude to a notion of the
“House of Power” or the “House of the lamb’s power.”
But I do not believe that this is the derivation they sought
in the choice of ker- ke.
also know that horns were used in the Old Testament to sound
the alarm by their watchmen.
– And this would
seem to allude to a notion of the “house of the sounding horn
of God.” Or the “House of the alarm of the watchmen”
But I do not believe that this is the derivation they sought
in the choice of ker- ke either.
also know that horns in scripture contained oil that was used
in the Old Testament to anoint kings and consecrate
priests -- And this would seem to allude to a notion of the “house of the anointing
horn of God.” Or the
the anointed of God.” I believe that this is one of the designations
that they sought in the choice of ker- ke. And
historically this is one of the powers the Church of Rome
took on itself was the ability to anoint kings and priests.
this is not all the the Church of Rome had hid in their choice
of the word ker- ke. The truth is that the Roman
Catholic Church did not invent the word Church as much as
a group of protestant anti-babelites want to proclaim.
The doctrines and the word Church was in use for atleast 100
years before Constatine converted. The Church of
Rome was the result of the utter corruption and systematic
loss of everything by the apostilic fathers and the
“Saints" of the 2nd and 3rd centuries.
In the Spiritual Israel the High-Priests are Those Who Devote
Themselves to the Study of
Scripture. (In a way Origen
is arguing that the priesthood below is the firstfruits –
virgins without guile without
blemish – these were made fleshly traits whereas they are
spiritual traits for who is without sin? I must comment
on the effect of plucking the firstfruits and making them
priests stops their growth from the vine that they were to
be left in place for the local church and community – this
circumvents believers to minister in their local Jerusalem
their local Samaria and as the grace and power grows in them
unto the utter most parts of the earth. But
the church has a continual drain on those within who are hungry
for God, and thus the local church is deprived
from any benefit and instead what is most precious is scattered
what is the bearing of all this for us? So you will ask when
you read these words,
Ambrosius, thou who art truly a man of God, a man in Christ.
and who seekest
to be not a
man only, but a spiritual man.5 (This is probably
a veiled reference to becoming baptized
in the Spirit) The bearing is this. Those
of the tribes offer to God, through the levites and priests,
tithes and first fruits; not everything which they possess
do they regard as tithe or first fruit. The
levites and priests, on the other hand, have no possessions
but tithes and first fruits; yet they
also in turn offer tithes to God through the high-priests,
and, I believe, first fruits too. The same is
the case with those who approach Christian studies. Most of us (current failing
experience of his
day) devote most of our time to the things
of this life, and dedicate to God only a few
special acts, thus resembling those members of the tribes who had but few transactions
with the priest, and discharged their religious duties
with no great expense of time. But
those who devote themselves to the divine word and have no
other employment but the
service of God may not unnaturally, allowing for the difference
of occupation in the two
cases, be called our Levites and priests.
in his day of 200 -230 AD roughly 100 years after the death
of the Apostle John, Origen speaks of the rise of a priesthood
and high priests within the church devote themselves to the
study of scripture and the service of God for the rest of
the people. And because of the lack of spirituality and dedication
of the common believer that they have adopted a Levitical
order to deal directly with God for the common believers they
are the churches Levites or priests – note also the lack of
the mention of Apostle and Prophet in this equation for as
the gifts became rare so the ministration of these higher
And those who fulfil a more distinguished office than their kinsmen6
will perhaps be
high-priests, according to the order of Aaron, not that of
Here some one
may object that it is somewhat too bold to apply the name
of high-priests to men,
here is saying that while the concept of priests for the people
was already set in place, the concept of an order
of priests for the priests themselves and their subsequent
lack of spirituality and devotion was not universally
accepted among in the church at that time) when Jesus Himself
is spoken of in many a prophetic
passage as the one great priest, as7 "We have a great high-priest who has
the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God." But to this we reply
that the Apostle clearly
defined his meaning, and declared the prophet to have said
about the Christ, "Thou8
art a priest for ever, according to the order of Melchisedek,"
and not according to the
order of Aaron. We say accordingly that men can be high-priests
according to the order
of Aaron, but according to the order of Melchisedek only the
Christ of God. (So Origen
flat tells us that they have re-established the order or Aaron
within their ranks. And that the Church had passed
from every believer being a priest unto God -- to kingdom
having a representational priesthood)
see that somewhere between the year 200-230 a Levitical priesthood
was created in place of what
Christ and the Apostles taught. Now if you have Levites according
to the Law of Moses what do these Levites
need to perform their ministry to God?
of furniture is virtually in every Catholic and Protestant
Church “The False Altar” along with falsee Levites ministering before it. 100 years
before the Catholic Church the altar was brought in. And it
was not just any altar – it was the horned
altar of the burnt offering that was brought into the
is this ultimately that they sought to identify the Church
with. The Church is God’s footstool his temple
the place he dwells with men. The Catholic church has the
altar in front and a holy of holies that is hid from
view. So the Circice
or Ker-ke was to be the house of the horned altar of God or
House of the Altar
This house was to be the place from which you made your offerings
and atonement with God
house from which
(not from Christ) you receive your salvation.
other words the church and not Christ is the gateway to heaven
(Where pray tell have I heard
these idential notions in recent decades? The Word of Faith
people, Kenneth Hagan Ministries and all his disciples.)
These teach that God has divested himself of His powers
to hea, to save and to deliver and has given it to the church
-- this simply is not so. Even in the Lord's prayer it is
delcared for Thine is the kingdom, and Thine is the power,
and Thine is the Glory forever and ever -- Jesus never relinquished
any of these things to the church.
And of greatest importance in Catholic doctrine is
the mass, which is a false imitation of the continual sacrifice
that these Levites were to perform. And in the mass the priest minister before this false altar. They bow to
it in some places they kiss it -- just as the jews do to the
torah in their synagogues. So when the church fell away all
they had after the glory departed was the Christian torah
so in an unholy unGodly act of one upmanship over Jewish synagogues
they brought in false levites into their Christian synagogues,
and they brought a false horned altar in as well that doubled
as an idol of a crypt that was supposed to represent the empty
grave of Christ, and to these they also added the idol of
Cross of Christ so the mass worships both the idol of the
cross and the idol the horned alter of the empty grave and
refused to call their false meeting places synagogues as the
Pharisees had done and been reproved of Christ but these evil
and perverse bishops created a new name for their false meeting
place and false temple and that was with the Cirice or Kir-ke
The house of the horned altar -- building thereafter a false
temple of Solomon with false robed priests and levites to
mask that the they had lost the kingdom of God, the power
of God and the glory of God and that all they had left was
the word of God just as those of tamudic judaism. So that
when we are to speak of the Klesia if we confess the trurth
before God we must confess that all that is before is in fact
Talmudic Christainity and all that is before us meets in synagogues
-- which the ek-klesia of Christ departed out of and the pre-catholic
church fathers built. 7/07
the completed work of Christ on the cross with works, ie,
sacrifices and offerings invented by men to
purchase salvation and forgiveness is an an utter abomination.
But the most damning truth about this doctrine of
Church, is that it also has been perpetuated by all Protestant
churches as well.
found this two weeks later Feb 14th 2005 on the
Internet to confirm what I saw and wrote concerning the
House of Horn –
CALVARY AND THE MASS
Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen, Ph.D., D.D., LL.D., Litt.D.
“Hence is to us the crowning act of Christian worship. A
pulpit in which the words of our Lord are repeated does not
unite us to Him; a choir in which sweet sentiments are sung
brings us no closer to His Cross than to His garments. A temple
without an altar of sacrifice is non-existent among primitive
peoples, and is
meaningless among Christians. And so in the
Catholic Church the altar, and not the pulpit or the choir
or the organ, is the center of worship,”
Another Catholic document I have seen declares that Christ
physically is the Altar in
And so in Catholic Church priest and laity bow to the altar
kiss the altar and curtsy to the altar and
cross themselves facing it.
This altar of the horn is also an abomination. And the
damning truth is that this altar of the horn is
virtually in all protestant churches to this day.
No matter what revival there has been there people have
continually to grievously sin before the lord
because they still call themselves the Church, they still
have a Church, they still swear themselves to the
Church, the Churches still contain steps and high-places And all these churches still contain altars and
the people call the front of all these church altars.
If we wonder at all what would have taken place in those
Churches we don’t have to look back all that
far. 1n the mid-1700’s John and Charles Wesley had
a revival tongue speaking dancing shouting revival
by 1800’s it was reported that the Methodists had lost their
shout. They cast out General Booth for raising
his voice and daring to wave a handkerchief in a meeting.
In the 1800’s in the Kentucky revival Baptist’s
Presbyterians American Methodists, and other fundamentalists
spoke in tongues sang in the spirit shook fell
out under the power and jerked. That continued up until the
start of the Civil War in 1860 – In 1910
Baptists and fundamentalists they declared that all of the
Gifts of the spirit and manifestations of God stopped
in 95 AD disregarding not only each of their denomination’s
history but the experiences of their parents and
grandparents who in many cases were still attending these
churches. While at the same time between 1890
and 1940 one of their largest churches was pastored by one
of the greatest faith healers of last century. In
1906 the Pentecostal revival began and by the late 1930’s
the power and manifestations of God were but a
memory in the testimony of the old timers and when revival
broke out in Non-Pentecostal Churches the same
declared it all of the devil and only once the Latter Rain
revival of 1948 had all but dried up a decade later
did the Pentecostals extand a hand of fellowship to those
that were now as dead as them. And then in
1970 when the Charismatic revival began both Pentecostals
and Latter Rain Churches declared the whole
of the Charismatic revival of the devil.
But with each of these churches as the members grew cold,
as professional teaching and preaching
carpetbaggers came in to ply their trade above members seeking
God or members being touched by God.
The congregations would shrivel and the sheep would wander
– In the mid 1970’s Bob Mumford seeing
this happen start to hap pen in the Charismatic revival instituted
“discipleship” in an attempt to capture and
hold congregations. We find in the year 230 AD Origen outlining
the same program and as the rot in the
early church spread the measures used to hold believers increased
by the time of Cyprian 330 AD he
proposed killing believers that disobey their priests.
I say that because by the end of the second century nobody
was fooling anyone. The laity knew they were
on a sinking ship, the bishops knew they were on a sinking
ship and so there were making attempts to try to
hold together what they had. It took a while, a few generations
for these new things to settle in as old and
venerable traditions. I remember the big to do when the Catholics
ended the Latin mass. Thirty years later
I hear all the time of how the mass was ruined and the services
have never been the same and how people
dropped out when they made that single change.
Imagine now congregations that are getting hit left and
right with doctrinal changes, while being demoted
from the front seat to balcony viewers from 200 AD – 350 AD
it was a very bumpy road and it would
not surprise me if there was a cry like of democrats of the
1980’s and 1990’s that they did not leave the
democratic party but that they democratic party left them.
Back now to this supposition of the Bishops declaring
their synagogues as horns of the lamb -- houses of the
horn, the name would denote the house of authority, and the
house of power (Hence my mention of discipleship)
a name that might also have great appeal to curious pagans
– more so than the more mundane title of Houses
of God. And even if that was not the case in those turbulent
times the relation to these two similar sounding words
Keras and Kyris may have well been a common byword among the
laity concerning their priest’s demands for
increased submission institutionalization of a Church that
had lost its soul.
Now there is an even greater irony
of the name or nickname of a Church being – The House of the
Horn. You see
there is another beast in Revelation that is a House of Horn
and it is not a little lamb.
12:3 And there appeared another
wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon,
having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his
There is another beast in revelation that is a House
of Horn and it is not a little lamb.
But there is
a lot more to say about beasts and horns in the Word of God
and Chruches the house of Horn in the
word of God
Daniel 7:4 The
first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till
the wings thereof were
plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand
upon the feet as a man, and a man's
heart was given to it.
The lion or
Judah borne on eagles wings – the early Church.
The wings were
plucked off – the loss of the spirit of God (This happened
200-250 AD) It is laying on the the ground
presumably after a hard landing. After a bit its power in it claws are removed
and it is given mans feet to stand on
(feet of clay denoting weakness)
And then this beast has it’s lions heart removed and
a heart of flesh is put in its place
– so that it looks like a lion maybe sounds like a lion it
is a beast that has become impotent. Having fallen from the
heavenlies it is a beast of weakess and a is filled with carnal
Daniel 7:5 And
behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised
up itself on one side,
and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth
of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise,
devour much flesh.The second
beast that arises is a bear that is laying on it’s side –
it has slain something and has
three ribs in its mouth – I would suggest that these three
ribs are three heads or horns of denominations that the bear
subdued and devourred them. (Jesuits, Dominicans, and the
third is your guess) – And then these three devoured
ribs say – “Arise devour much flesh!” And surely we can see
that the Roman Catholic did devour much flesh.
Daniel 7:6 After
this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon
the back of it four
wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion
was given to it.
This next beast
leopard -- it is a big cat but it is not the Lion of Judah
– it is dangerous and it is a killer but it is a pretender.
This beast has four wings which is to say that it is boasting
that it has a double portion over the eagles wings that the
lion once had, but in reality these wings are not eagles wings
The hebew tells us
they little wings of a small
bird or a fowl – so these are pertenders wings. They are all
for show and all for boasting, but four little bid wings
do not equal a flying leopard. And the beast also had four
heads – four denominations (Old line protestants,
evangelicals, fundamentalists and pentecostals-charismatics)
and dominion was given unto it. – I would suggest
that the dominion that was given upon it was the power of
deception. The implication being is that this beast had
great success. – How
can I say this? Because Protestantism claims to be the keeper
of the word of God --
they are the dsicples of Paul – and they claim to be everything
the early church wasn’t. The old line
protestants boast they are the true bride of christ,
the evangelicals and fundamentalists boast they are
of God's word and have far better teaching than the early
church, the pentecostals
and Charismatics boast that
they have 100 fold power of Holy Spirit over the early church.
And yet this thing can’t fly it doesn’t have the power
to lift itself an inch so it resorts to a message that comprises
the power of possive thinking along with think and
Grow rich – it is all bluster its power is deception to get
you to blieve it has more and can do nmore than the sum
total of its parts. The truth is there is no synergy but by
its boasting its ranks swell and it seems to have great power
Daniel 7:7-8 After this I saw in the night visions,
and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible,
and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured
and brake in pieces, and stamped
the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all
the beasts that were before it; and it had
forth beast is dreadful and terrible it had great iron teeth
and devoured and break in pieces and stamped the
residue with the feet of it – I hate to say this but I believe
that this is Islam and this says Islam will devour break
in pieces and stamp on the residue of the first three beasts.
So how if the first three beasts are all the Church how
can I say the the forth beast is Islam? Islam was actually
born out of the Catholic Church Mohammed was an
Apostate – the Koran is an utterly corrupt version of the
bible. The beast is
still forming before our eyes and we
read that it had 7 heads and 10 horns – I will not pretend
to know how this beast works, but there are countries
that speak for Islam like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Egypt and others
that don’t. There are their sects like Bathists, and
Wahabbis that seem to foment evil and others that don’t..
We know that the beast is a combination of sects and
seats of power. And we know that when it’s in its prime it
will have seven heads and ten horns.
When we do a little math we find that this 4th
beast has more heads and horns that the first three beasts
even when you count the three ribs in the bears mouth. It
has more spokesman and more horns that are willing to
fight than the first three combined. As of this writing, things
appear somewhat bleak with Islam making war all over
the word. Just wait when Islam has the EU in its maw will
it be a redux of WWII with Islam instead of Hitler on the
shores of Normandy looking at England, Looking at Russia and
Looking at the US? Will there be an Australian ally?
Will there be an Indian Ally? Will there be a Japanese Ally?
By 2015 who will be swallowed into Islam’s eternal
night? Spain, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Italy,
Greece, Poland, Ukraine,
And the 4th beast had great iron teeth: and
it devoured, and brake in pieces, and it stamped the
residue with the feet of it: -- the residue is what
is left of the first three beasts, that would be the Coptic
Church, and what remains
the Eastern Orthodox Church, and
what remains in the EU of the hollow Catholic and
Protestant Churches, and we can toss Canada in that mix as
well. And this beast will devour as the bear did during
the inquisition. And it will stamp into dust and break in
pieces all that come under its power.
And the UN and the
world will huddle together in fear as this beast seemingly
takes over the world – I can not see the US in this prophecy
but I have an idea of what will transpire based on other scripture
concerning the kingdom of Israel and Judah. The
bible tells us that the kingdom of Israel the ten tribes played
the harlot and God had them taken in captivity a
captivity that is very ominous in that they never returned
the 10 tribes were lost forever. And so Judah lived on for
a few hundred years and then fell into the same thing her
sister did the US is Judah (not literally) The Us is the one
nation in the world that was set up as a Christian nation
and so this first phase will not touch us as the 10 tribes
(EU+ Canada fall and are put into hard bondage there will
be a lot of death and blood as the bear and Leopard
are slaughtered over there. Much of this is the long awaited
judgment on the Catholic and Protestant Inquisitions
and the slaughter by Churches of non-believers, heretic’s
and members of unsanctioned schisms all naturally
done in the name of Christ. In Revelation we have the souls
under the altar being avenged. The reason that the
US is not in this is because we were not around to spill that
blood – but that blood is on our hands because we
are the ancestors of the people who did the killing in Europe,
and the Middle East. The point is that the peace
we have over here will be very short lived as the beast before
its finished over in the EU will look over here and
will the EU’s nukes and armies it will have the full capability
to attack us and destroy us because it is decentralized
and we could take out a few heads but this beast does not
require any of them to keep on killing and destroying.
So now the EU is gone Canada is gone maybe Mexico as well
and the beast is at our gates and things look
really-really bad and then Daniel’s attention is diverted
. . .
I considered the horns, and, behold, there
came up among them another little
whom there were three of the first
plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn
were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great
things. We see that this
little Horn is
like the bear in that he devours three horns. We see that
he is also like the Leopard in that he boasts great things
about himself and his ministry before God.
But the beast is all Iron teeth and horns there are no wings
– the wings are the wind or boasting from the Horn
filled with eyes mouth – what is the significance of the eyes
– the man claims to be a and all seeing prophet. He
claims to see not only for him but for all. But the eyes are
the eyes of men they blind and corrupt so that all he
sees is man’s wisdom he sees with eyes filled with lust, he
sees the glories of this world and boasts of his vision
as being heavenly – he is perceived as the great savior of
the world from the beast he is a part of. He is
perceived to be the great savior of the Church and scripture
says that he will be called into the Church and
show himself to be Christ and show great signs and wonders
and all that are in the denominational Churches and
all that are in the world will worship him and he shall put
his mark upon them and allow all that bear the mark
to by and trade – the man is for global free trade and promises
that he is bringing the world into a golden age.
But the bible says he will make war with the ecclesia -- those that oppose him. I perceive that this
will be done
through already what we see with anti-hate legislation on the avenue of gay rights and abortion rights
of this legislation is to make the bible hate literature to
make it eventually illegal except for legal corrupt versions
and to make fundamentalism illegal and the preaching teaching
and spreading of such as a criminal offence.
This will become hard time and be deemed a mental disorder
people will seek to de-program believers with
torture the threat of death to them their families
friends relatives and if all else fails death and execution.
If a man loves mother father sister brother
above Christ they will deny Christ to save them.
If they love themselves above Christ they will deny Christ
to save themselves. And if they
love not their lives unto death that will be proven.
– is a horn like projectile.
Keration – A little Horn.
The word Church
or kyriake in the Greek is the
house of the horn or
the house of authority. So now we look
back at the eytomology and it tells us that the word kyriake came into use after the year 300 AD up until that
point there was a Ecclesia of Antioch and Ecclesia of Damascus
an Ecclesia of Alexandria and and Ecclesia of
Rome. they were all
equal but in the early 3rd century but the Bishop of Rome
exaluted itself over the other
Churches and Rome Changed its designation from Ecclesia of
Rome to kyriake or Rome.
In english there is
no Change because we call all houses of worship and all denominations
Churches but at the time to all the
Eccelsia the designation of Rome as the Kyriake or Rome mean that
those that would submit were in fact
making The fellowship in Rome their Horn their Authority
and at that time for all of Church History to this
day all fellowships have followed that tradtion to call themselves
the Horn over the beleivers.
So literally when we take membership in a church we are submitting to their
horn. This is not
this is a translation of actual words in the Greek – words
that the Roman Catholic leadership chose of
themselves to describe the new world order that they had created.
Ezekiel 34:17-22 And
as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I
between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats.
18Seemeth it a small thing
unto you to have eaten up the good pasture, but ye must tread
down with your feet the
residue of your pastures? and to have drunk of the deep waters,
but ye must foul the residue
with your feet? 19And
as for my flock, they eat that which ye have trodden with
and they drink that which ye have fouled with your feet. 20Therefore thus saith the Lord
GOD unto them; Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat
cattle and between the lean cattle.
21Because ye have thrust with side and with shoulder,
and pushed all the diseased with
your horns, till ye have scattered them abroad; 22Therefore will I save my
flock, and they
shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and
Isaiah 37:35 For I will defend this city to save it for
mine own sake, and for my servant
David's sake. In the prophets when Israel has fallen into deep sin God does
not speak in glowing terms of
those who are utterly corrupt. And not even king Hezekiah
nor the priests nor the scribes are found pleasing to
God. So when God speaks of doing it for his names
same, or looking back at David or Abraham – This is very
bad thing In the book of revelation to the seven churches
we find this same backward look and one might scratch
their head and say 90 AD and John the Apostle is yet alive
and God is talking about judgment and destruction of
And in 2005 we have not had apostles prophets
etc for 1800 years how is it that every preacher assures us
we are in complete good standing with God ?
We are told that we are better than the seven churches
we are told that we are better than the church at Corinth
the church at Rome the Galatians – that we know more
and have more than the churches under the apostles – this
ought to give one pause – she ought to sound loud alarm
bells because what we have little resembles what we read in
the Gospels, Acts and the epistles. It makes me think
of some smarmy junk dealer trying to sell us a rat eaten urine
stained mattress and trying to tell us that you would
waste your money going to get the original from a store and
that what you have before you is identical to it.
Christians have this strange mentality that
because they pastor or denomination is peddling rat eaten
mattresses – that somehow magically they
are not. First the con is that by our accepting this old rotten mattress
we are legally signing on to everywhere and everything this
mattress has been. Places that today’s “sophisticated
and discerning” believers say they would never go.
Then there is the acceptance at the word of the oily
that in this purchase we are accepting that this is rotten
ratty highly irrigated mattress is not only all that we need
in God, but that it is also all that there is in God.
Isaiah 28:20 For the bed is shorter
than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering
narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.
instead of finding rest for our souls, toss and turn and no matter how we lay we find ourselves exposed and
Matthew 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
for ye are like unto whited
sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are
within full of dead men's bones,
and of all uncleanness.
We might say the earthly church the clessia
is the manure from which the spiritual church the ecclesia
forth from. This is in no text books, or commentaries,
or from someone’s study notes not because it has never
occurred to these people but it casts them in the bad corrupt
light that they are in. So the earthly church will
continue to be corrupt to act corrupt and to split divide
and fight until the end. And then the bible says that
Christ will come and gather out all that offended, gathering
the tares first and burning them that the Ecclesia that
is hidden may shine forth.
So if you are coveting after the things
of the world if you seek riches wealth power if you seek to
be the disciples
of men of make disciples to yourself you had better make the
most of it because that is all your going to get and
then its toaster time. So the memories of being self serving
had better be pretty powerful because that is all that is
going to remain.
are called but few are chosen.
Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the
gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and
few there be that find it.
No church believes these verses because
of the huge denominations that they belong to. It would be
business to say many that go to our church are not going to
make it because you are only doing this for looks,
you are only doing what you think you can get by with.
Churches make altar calls for people to
accept Jesus -- that is to decide if Christ meets your object
So we decide if Christ is worthy of us and
if he is we relegate him to some dark corner of our heart
and by God!
We have fire insurance coverage. But if we loved the truth and would read
the bible we would find that Christ
demands we follow him -- that is to be his disciple and the
disciples of no other.
The Law regarding true
1 John1:1-3 “That which was from the
beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen
with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have
handled, of the Word of life;
For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear
witness, and shew unto you that
eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested
unto us; That which we have
seen and heard declare we unto you.
I spoke before of this personal testimony,
this personal experience of the acts of God as being a law
did not preach Jeremiah and Jeremiah did not speak Ezekiel
each spoke only that which they saw and heard
likewise Paul does not preach peter peter does not preach
John and John does not preach paul.
John 3:11 “Verily, verily, I say
unto thee, we speak that we do know, and testify that we
have seen . . .” The Greek reads Verily Verily I say
unto thee, That which we know (Oidamen to know
by having asked – to know by having examined) we speak, and
that which we have seen we bear witness of.
Acts 4:20 For we cannot but speak
the things which we have seen and heard. Now if this
point were not important it would not be repeated again and
again but it has somehow
slipped under the church’s radar screen like most things that
pertain to life and godliness,
glory and virtue.
Matthew 11:4 Jesus answered and said
unto them, Go and shew John again those things
which ye do hear and see: Here we catch Jesus commanding the
disciples of John to speak
only that which they have seen and heard.
Romans 15:18-20 For I will not dare to
speak of any of those things which Christ hath
not wrought by me, to make the Gentiles obedient, by word
and deed, Through mighty signs
and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from
Jerusalem, and round about
unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.
Why does Paul the Apostle say that he dare
not? The dare not implies that if Paul would speak of what
did in others, or preached what Christ had taught others there
would be unwelcome consequences – ie no mighty
signs and wonders no power of the spirit of God – So in his
ministry Paul says by preaching what God wrought in
Paul and what Christ taught Paul he was fully preaching the
Gospel – Because the Gospel is what God has wrought
in you and taught you.
There is more to the Apostles not just quoting
from each other, consider this we know that Paul the Apostle
under the feet of Gameliel – but yet Paul never says: “You
know back before I was saved Gameliel used to
say . . . And it is so true, I think Gameliel had some real
truth and insight . . .
Realize that Paul knew the teachings of
all the great Rabbis. He knew probably every jot and tittle
in the Talmud
but Paul never quotes from any of that.
John the Apostle had been a disciple of
John the Baptist and other than where The Apostle John felt
that it was
necessary to quote from John the Baptist as Identifying Jesus
as the Christ , and as sending disciples to verify Jesus
was the Christ before his death John never says: “You know
when Jesus spoke on this John the Baptist used to say
this . . . . And now that I look back to John I see that he
really had some life changing truth and insights and if it
not been for John’s teachings I probably would not be where
I am today.”
1 Corinthians 1:6 Howbeit we speak (Christ’s)
wisdom among them that are perfect: Yet not
the wisdom of this world, nor (Do we speak) of the princes
of this world, that (will) come to
We do not speak of the wisdom of this world.
We do not speak the wisdom of the greatest philosophers, the
greatest rulers, the greatest in business; the greatest sports
stars, the greatest actors, the greatest musicians.
If then we cannot speak of the wisdom that is of this world,
and the wisdom that is of the princes of this world,
how is it then that we believe we can speak the wisdom from
the carnal among us who lust after the things of
the world, that seek praise of men, and that seek
the corrupt mammon of the world? Or even doing greater
evil we have willingly given up our birthright to make ourselves
the disciples and servants of those that come
in their own name, and preach and teach their own
2 Corinthians 4:5-7 For we do not proclaim
ourselves, but (Our) Lord Jesus Christ. For
Jesus sake we are your bondsmen. 6For God, who
spoke out of darkness for the light to
shine, hath shone in our hearts, the very light of the knowledge
of the glory of God (that
was) in the person of Jesus Christ. 7But this treasure
we have hidden in earthen vessels,
the overflowing abundance power which is of God, and not of
we see Paul affirm that we have nothing of ourselves that
can either produce or earn the grace
of God in our lives. We
need to fully realize that the source of any and all light
in our hearts, and any an all
manifestations of God in and around our lives are not by any
works of our flesh, nor by us exerting our
force of will even in the area of belief. That which we call faith
proceeds from God, it is a gift
of the spirit, it is revelatory in nature and when someone apprehends this seeing beyond flesh and
blood seeing beyond the will of man into the heart and desire
of God. God is pleased
Simon Peter hit that revelatory plane. Matthew 16:17
And Jesus answered and said unto him,
Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath
not revealed it unto thee, but my
Father which is in heaven.
It is not that we have not a will as Martin
Luther and John Calvin proclaimed,
but that God desires obedience
from the heart. God is not a man that He accepts bribes. But
He accepts when we speak that which proceedeth
from the mouth of God.
Paul again defines that what they preach
is not themselves their vision or their traditions but the
Christ’s vision and sayings and ourselves as your servants. In Greek Orthodox Church I quote; “In every
church the Gospel Book has a place of honor on the altar;
it is carried in procession at the Liturgy and at
Matins on Sundays and feasts; the faithful kiss it and prostrate
themselves before it. Such is the respect
shown in the Orthodox Church for the Word of God.” This is a practice that was taken from Jewish
Synagogues you can go and visit any synagogue on the Sabbath
and see this practiced for yourself. It is
done to different degrees between Orthodox Jews and Reformed.
It is well worth your imte to go to a
synagogue to see where many of our unbiblical notions come
from regarding the building, church furniture,
church seating and the differences between clergy and laity.
Another quote from the Greek
“The Tradition of the Church is expressed
not only through words, not only through the
actions and gestures used in worship, but
also through art — through the line and colour
of the Holy Icons. An icon is not simply a religious picture
designed to arouse appropriate
emotions in the beholder; it is one of the ways whereby God
is revealed to man. Through
icons the Orthodox Christian receives a vision of the spiritual
In their own words they say that their idols in the church,
whether statues, releif sculptures on the walls and
holy furnatures and objects in the church or the images in
the stained glass are there to arouse of evoke
emotions and visions of these idols the members of their churches.
On one hand they are saying that Joel 2
is fulfilled by the presense of Idols. And that their weak
minded followers do not hear from God at all, but
see visions and have dreams because they highly suggestable
and every physically in the churches are not
there by accident but are there as part of a
"physically control" in hopes
of creating a certain desired
output amoung their followers
Novena to our Lady of Czestochowa 1982.
(A Roman Catholic Cathederal in Poland)
May your frequent prayerful recitation
of this Novena serve as a tribute of gratitude to Mary,
especially during this period of the 600th anniversary of
He prayed: "O Black Madonna,
you are most dear to us." Paul VI, on the day of his
asked for a daily Hail Mary in his intention before her altar
at Jasna Gora.
What I see in this that there are many cathedrals
that are named from Mary and here we have her altar
instead of Christ being the altar. This doesn’t make it any
better or worse in either case its utter idolatry.
When you are at Rome,
do as the Romans do.
St. Ambrose (334 -397)
The following was from a Roman Catholic website and it acknowledges what I have already stated that
Protestantism kept all the altars and related trappings.
One who entered the parish church at Wittemberg after Luther's victory discovered
that the same vestments were used for divine service as of yore, and heard the same
old Latin hymns. The Host was elevated and exhibited at the Consecration.
In the eyes of the people, it was the same Mass as before, despite the fact that Luther
omitted all the prayers which represented the sacred function of the Sacrifice.
The people were intentionally kept in the dark on this point. "We cannot draw the
common people away from the Sacrament, and it will probably be thus until the
Gospel is well understood," said Luther. The rite of celebration of the Mass, he
explained, is a "purely external thing," and said further that "the damnable words
referring to the Sacrifice could be omitted all the more readily, since the ordinary
Christian would not notice the omission and hence there was no danger of scandal."
--Hartmann Grisar, S.J.
The churches shall lament with great lamentations, because there shall neither oblation
be made, nor incense, nor worship grateful to God. But the sacred houses of churches
shall be like to cottages, and the precious Body and Blood of Christ shall not be exist in
those days, the liturgy shall be extinguished, the psalmody shall cease, the reciting of
Scriptures shall not be heard. --St. Hippolytus (ob. ca. 236)
And women, whether believers or catechumens, shall stand for their prayers by themselves
in a separate part of the Church.... And the presbyters -- or, if there are not enough
presbyters, the deacons -- shall hold the cups, and shall stand with reverence and modesty.
And even if the bishop should be absent when the faithful meet at a supper, if a presbyter
or deacon is present they shall eat in a similar orderly fashion, and each shall be careful to
take the blessed bread from the presbyter's or deacon's hand."
--St. Hippolytus (ob. ca. 236), The Apostolic Tradition
Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is,
there is the Catholic Church.
St. Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch, (50 -117 AD)
(All Ignatius writings are openly admitted by the catholic Church to be forgeries written in the Forth Century
– their use is that they state the 4th Century Catholic Church’s doctrinal wish list.) This is the first known use
of the word "Catholic" as applied to Christians.
The floor of Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops.
Chrysostom, Patriarch of Constantinople (347-407)
The idea we should have of the rich and covetous - they are truly as robbers who, standing
in the public highway, despoil the passersby.
--St. John Chrysostom, Patriarch of Constantinople (347-407)
When the Arian poison had contaminated not only a limited area, but the whole world, almost
all the bishops of the Latin Church fell into heresy, forced by violence or deceived by guile.
It was like a fog fallen upon the spirits and hiding which road to take. In order to be safe
from this contagious plague, the true disciples of Christ had to prefer the ancient
beliefs rather than all the false novelties.
--St. Vincent of Lerins (ca. 400-ca. 450)
When a foulness invades the whole Church..., we must return to the Church of the past.
Vincent of Lerins (ca. 400-ca. 450)
Origen, Chrysostom, and Augustine explained the lack of miracles and tongues in their days by reasoning that
these things had ceased with the Apostolic age.
Origen, who lived from AD 185-253, explicitly
argued that the signs of the apostolic age were temporary,
that no contemporary Christian exercised any of the ancient
prophetical gifts in his apologetic against Celsus.
Chrysostom, who lived from AD 347-407 commented on chapter
12 in his homilies on 1 Corinthians: "This
whole place is very obscure; but the obscurity is produced
by our ignorance of the facts referred to and by
their cessation, being such as then used to occur but now
no longer take place." Augustine, AD 354-430,
commented on Acts 2:4: "In the earliest times, the Holy
Spirit fell upon them that believed and they spoke with
tongues. These were signs adapted to the time. For there behooved
to be that betokening and it passed away".
The greatest theologians of the ancient church considered
the gift of tongues a remote practice.
To be fair, there are some supposed occurrences
of tongues since the apostolic age. Montanus from Phrygia
with two female priestesses Prisca and Maximilla spoke in
ecstatic utterances. Montanus, who claimed to be
the Holy Spirit, was thrown out of the church as a heretic.
of Barnabas Chapter 16
But it shall be built, observe ye, in the name of the Lord,
in order that the temple of the
Lord may be built in glory. How? Learn [as follows]. Having
received the forgiveness of sins,
and placed our trust in the name of the Lord, we have become
new creatures, formed again
from the beginning. Wherefore in our habitation God truly
dwells in us. How? His word
faith; His calling of promise; the wisdom of the statutes;
the commands of the doctrine;
He himself prophesying in us; He himself dwelling in us;
opening to us who were enslaved
by death the doors of the temple,
Justin Martyr to To Trypho
The Scripture says that these enumerated powers of the
Spirit have come on Him, not because
He stood in need of them, but because they would rest in Him,
i.e., would find their
accomplishment in Him, so that there would be no more prophets
in your nation after the ancient
custom: and this fact you plainly perceive. For after Him
no prophet has arisen among you. Now,
that [you may know that] your prophets, each receiving some
one or two powers from God, did
and spoke the things which we have learned from the Scriptures,
attend to the following remarks
possessed the spirit of wisdom, Daniel that of understanding
and counsel, Moses that of
might and piety, Elijah that of fear, and Isaiah that of knowledge;
and so with the others: each
possessed one power, or one joined alternately with another;
also Jeremiah, and the twelve
[prophets], and David, and, in short, the rest who existed
amongst you. Accordingly He rested,
i.e., ceased, when He came,after whom, in the times
of this dispensation wrought out by Him
amongst men, it was requisite
that such gifts should cease from you;(the
Israel) and having received their rest
in Him, should again, as had been predicted, become gifts
which, from the grace of His Spirit's power, He imparts to
those who believe in Him, according
as He deems each man worthy thereof. I have already said,
and do again say, that it had been
prophesied that this would be done by Him after His ascension
to heaven. It is accordingly said,
`He ascended on high, He led captivity captive, He gave gifts
unto the sons of men.' And again,
in another prophecy it is said: `And it shall come to pass
after this, I will pour out
My Spirit on all flesh, and on My servants, and on My handmaids,
and they shall prophesy.'
What I want you to clearly see here
is that in the day of Justin Martyr part of the common beleif
of the day
that 1) The sign that God was with the Church was the removeal
of his gifts and the operations of the Spirit
from the Jewish nation 2) that the Gifts and operations of
the the spirit were to be as Peter said for all to to
as many as would receive Him.
Some 60 years later Origen argues that the common beleif of
the day was that the gifts of the Spirit had
all but ceased in the Church not becasue of SIN, Not becasue
the church had lost its way, or something that the
Church had done like bring in an false altar and false Levites
-- but these backslidden carnal men reasoned that
the gifts of the Spirit
had only been for the Apsotles and the founding of the church.
shouyld not think this strange since we can document the same
fall from grace and subsequent loss of gifts of
the Spirit from half a dozen or more denominations since the
1700's and within each of these we can document as
well of the bringing in of the levites and the Altar and all
the other church trappings and furnature.
Martyr continues to Trypho
"Now, it is possible to see
amongst us women and men who possess gifts
of God; so that it was prophesied that the powers
enumerated by Isaiah would come upon
Him, not because He needed power, but because these would
not continue after Him.
Justin Martyr 160 AD
So what Justin Martyr tells us here
flat out is that in his day, that he could take Trypho the
Jew out to
any Church of that day and Trypho would see and be able to
recognise the tell tale signs of functioning gifts
and operations of God that were in David and the Prophets
amoung common Christains. And that this IS
THE SIGN THAT GOD IS WITH THE CHURCH.
what does it mean when the Chruch loses this divine favor?
What does it mean when the Lord departs from the
Church? Its meaning is no less than when Jesus said salt loses
5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but
if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it
be salted? It is thenceforth good for nothing, but
to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot
The day of Churchianity is over. The business as usssal approach
of these nomial believers has come to an end.
After the death of Justin Maryr and those of his day the Church
fell it lost its saltiness, it lost it's savor. Jesus says
in John 5:13 several things 1) There is no way to restore
a fallen Church or beleivers that are not salty and have
lost their savor. In scripture we see this in Adam and I am
sure we could say when he was cast into outer
darkness ther was weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth
-- but he was NEVER brought back into the
garden thought he probably sought it with great tears of repentance.
We can see this in Cain and I am sure we
could say on his part that when he was cast into outer darkness
ther was weeping and wailing and gnashing of
teeth. We can see this in Esau and I am sure we could say
when he was cast into outer darkness ther was weeping
and wailing and gnashing of teeth.
should put the fear of God on you, this should make you think
twice before corrupting yourself and defiling the
temple of God that is within you.
But Jesus is not done here Not only does he say it can not
be restored but Jesus said Churches and beleivers that
have lost their saltiness and lost their savor are good for
nothing. This means that all the preaching all the teaching
the evangelism and all their missionary work is also good
for nothing. The vessel is corrupt there for it can only
produce more corruption. The loaf has been leavened sin and
iniquity now abound in the loaf therefore it can only
produce more corruption. The loaf, the vessel, the beleiver,
the church is therefore good for nothing. They can only
produce the bastard children, the proselytes of the pharisees.
But Jesus does not stop there Jesus sai the salt that has
lost its savor shall be cast out -- God the father shall reject
that Church and those beleivers -- and if we use the measuring
sticjk of Peter and Justin Martyr the sign of God being
with a people is his signs wonders and spirit upon the common
people -- This is a frightning thing
But Jesus does not stop there he adds one more detail; salt
that loses its savor shall be trodden under foot of men.
-- This is an euphamism for persecution and the coming judgment
of God that is coming upon
all of all the Churches and people who call themselves believers
and do not His words.
The following quote is from Ireaneus’ in "Against All Heresies"
This letter was written
about 180-200 AD
about 30 years after Justin Martyr’s death
“The only true and life-giving faith, which the Church has received from the apostles and
imparted to her sons.” This is the fundamental error of all churches – that the church has become the
imparter of life and that the church gives birth to her sons – if the Church is the virgin bride of Christ that is
awaiting her betrothal how pray tell does she become impregnated and who’s children is she giving birth to?
There answer is in Revelation chapter 19 the great whore gives birth but it says she gives birth to daughters
“As has been declared in the memoirs of His apostles, in order that what is recorded by Isaiah might
have efficacious fruit, where it is written, `The Lord gives me a tongue, that I may know when I
ought to speak.' Isaiah 50:4 The Lord GOD hath given me the tongue of the learned, that I should
know how to speak Irenaeus said the tongue is not the how, but the when to Prophesy”
Isaiah 50:4 The Lord GOD hath given me the tongue
of the learned, that I should know how to
speak a word in season to him that is weary: he wakeneth
morning by morning, he wakeneth mine
ear to hear as the learned.
Jeremiah 9:5 And they will deceive every one his neighbour,
and (they) will not speak the truth:
they have taught their tongue to speak
lies, and (they) weary themselves to commit iniquity.
is the Church of this hour. How different is this than: “They shall teach no more his neighbor for they
all know me?”
cause many are sickly and sleep among you.
It is high time to awake and arise, and
come forth from the great whore and her daughters that you
not be made a partaker of her