Believers willingly go on rack to be
tortured in laboratories
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January 12, 2005 | Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent
January 12, 2005
The implications of this study are to horrible to contemplate.
Here we have believers making themselves willing guinea pigs to give researches
information how to break and deprogram Christians from following Christ or how
people can be cured of beleving in God.
Believers (Willingly)
go on rack to prove God relieves pain
PEOPLE are to be tortured in laboratories at Oxford University in a
United States-funded experiment to determine whether belief in God is effective
in relieving pain.
Top neurologists, pharmacologists, anatomists, ethicists and theologians are to examine the scientific basis of religious belief and whether it is anything more than a placebo.
Headed by Baroness Greenfield, the leading neurologist, the new Centre for the Science of the Mind is to use imaging systems to find out how religious, spiritual and other belief systems, such as an illogical belief in the innate superiority of men, influence consciousness.
A central aspect of the two-year study, which has $2 million (£1.06 million) funding from the John
Templeton Foundation, the US philanthropic body, (This is being
funded by a non-scientific group) will
involve dozens of people being subjected to painful experiments in laboratory
conditions.
While enduring the agony, they will be exposed to religious symbols such as images of the Virgin Mary or a crucifix. Their neurological responses will be measured to determine the efficacy of their faith in helping them to cope.
The aim is to develop new and practical
approaches “for promoting wellbeing and ultimately maximising individual human
potential”. (We see by the Spirit that
what they seek to create this well-being and maximizing of human potential is
to be done by delivering people of their Christian beliefs)
The pain experiments will be conducted under the direction of Toby Collins, who has a background in marine biology and the nerve systems of invertebrates. He said that many people in pain turned to faith for relief. Some looked to religious or secular healing systems.
He said that the experiments would involve non-invasive simulation of burns and will be conducted according to strict ethical rules. As they suffer, the human guinea pigs will be asked to access a belief system, whether religious or otherwise.
Dr Collins said: “We will simulate a burn
sensation to see how people, through distraction or by accessing different
strategies, can modulate and reduce the levels of pain.” (Seeking to record
these in levels that are effective as weapons of coercion and other purposes (Recently 11/2006 It was reported in a news article the
military is rolling out weaponized technology directly related to this study
for combatant crowd control and disbursal making them feel their bodies and
genitalia are on fire to drive them back.)
John Stein, a neuroscientist from Oxford’s physiology department, said: “Pain has been central to a lot of problems that religious and other thinkers have concentrated on.”
Professor Stein said that people differed widely in the extent to which they felt pain. “What we want to do is correlate that with their underlying beliefs.”
The study is considered of vital importance in the present world climate,
given the role of religious fundamentalism in international terrorism. A better understanding of the physiology of belief, the
conditions that entrench it in the mind and its usefulness in mitigating pain
could be crucial to developing counter- terrorist strategies for the future.
Scientists have long been baffled at the
persistence of these beliefs in the face of seemingly irrefutable logic. (These are talking in coded words spoken by a scientific
community that is governed by atheists, communists, humanists and
homosexuals -- about God , Christ, the
bible, salvation, creationism, and all many other things that are associated
with Christ and Christianity and openly state they believe these things are
mental disorders.)
Professor Lewis Wolpert, the biologist, has speculated in the past that a belief in how the world was created and what happens after death may have conferred an evolutionary advantage.
The new centre will investigate how people form belief and how the mind works in relations to belief. Scientists will examine what causes people to change their beliefs, and how this affects the mind. Lady Greenfield, Professor of Synaptic Pharmacology at Oxford and director of the Royal Institution of Great Britain in Mayfair, Central London, said: “To the best of my knowledge, this centre will be the first of its kind in the UK, if not in Europe. It brings together equal numbers of academics from the humanities and the sciences, approaching the same problem.”
PAST TORTURE
We
made the following response was made to
this article
January 12, 2005
Pliny to the Emperor Trajan
It is my
practice, my lord, to refer to you all matters concerning which I am in doubt.
For who can better give guidance to my hesitation or inform my ignorance? I
have never participated in trials of Christians. I therefore do not know what
offenses it is the practice to punish or investigate, and to what extent. And I
have been not a little hesitant as to whether there should be any distinction
on account of age or no difference between the very young and the more mature;
whether pardon is to be granted for repentance, or, if a man has once been a
Christian, it does him no good to have ceased to be one; whether the name
itself, even without offenses, or only the offenses associated with the name
are to be punished.
Meanwhile, in the case of those who were denounced to me as
Christians, I have observed the following procedure: I interrogated these as to
whether they were Christians; those who confessed I interrogated a second and a
third time, threatening them with punishment; those who persisted I ordered
executed. For I had no doubt that, whatever the nature of their creed,
stubbornness and inflexible obstinacy surely deserve to be punished. There were
others possessed of the same folly; but because they were Roman citizens, I
signed an order for them to be transferred to Rome.
Soon accusations spread, as usually happens, because of the
proceedings going on, and several incidents occurred. An anonymous document was
published containing the names of many persons. Those who denied that they were
or had been Christians, when they invoked the gods in words dictated by me,
offered prayer with incense and wine to your image, which I had ordered to be
brought for this purpose together with statues of the gods, and moreover cursed
Christ--none of which those who are really Christians, it is said, can be
forced to do--these I thought should be discharged. Others named by the
informer declared that they were Christians, but then denied it, asserting that
they had been but had ceased to be, some three years before, others many years,
some as much as twenty-five years. They all worshipped your image and the
statues of the gods, and cursed Christ.
They asserted, however, that the sum and substance of their fault
or error had been that they were accustomed to meet on a fixed day before dawn
and sing responsively a hymn to Christ as to a god, and to bind themselves by
oath, not to some crime, but not to commit fraud, theft, or adultery, not
falsify their trust, nor to refuse to return a trust when called upon to do so.
When this was over, it was their custom to depart and to assemble again to
partake of food--but ordinary and innocent food. Even this, they affirmed, they
had ceased to do after my edict by which, in accordance with your instructions,
I had forbidden political associations. Accordingly, I judged it all the more
necessary to find out what the truth was by torturing two female slaves who
were called deaconesses. But I discovered nothing else but depraved, excessive
superstition.
I therefore postponed the investigation and hastened to consult
you. For the matter seemed to me to warrant consulting you, especially because
of the number involved. For many persons of every age, every rank, and also of
both sexes are and will be endangered. For the contagion of this superstition
has spread not only to the cities but also to the villages and farms. But it
seems possible to check and cure it. It is certainly quite clear that the
temples, which had been almost deserted, have begun to be frequented, that the
established religious rites, long neglected, are being resumed, and that from
everywhere sacrificial animals are coming, for which until now very few
purchasers could be found. Hence it is easy to imagine what a multitude of
people can be reformed if an opportunity for repentance is afforded.
Trajan to Pliny
You
observed proper procedure, my dear Pliny, in sifting the cases of those who had
been denounced to you as Christians. For it is not possible to lay down any
general rule to serve as a kind of fixed standard. They are not to be sought
out; if they are denounced and proved guilty, they are to be punished, with
this reservation, that whoever denies that he is a Christian and really proves
it--that is, by worshiping our gods--even though he was under suspicion in the
past, shall obtain pardon through repentance. But anonymously posted
accusations ought to have no place in any prosecution. For this is both a dangerous
kind of precedent and out of keeping with the spirit of our age.
The article as quoted as saying that: Scientists have long been
troubled that in the face off irrefutable evidence that believers still believe -- that is far from what the
goal was stated in the article
The real purpose of these
tests is to see how to make a believer not believe.
I posted to someone that a few days ago in one of my children’s
video games I found that the Characters stated they were all atheists -- they
being extremely moral in star trek fashion but that the creator wanted to
destroy them for their sins and so they wanted to war with the creator and any
that beloved in him -- so that they could live the way they wanted to live with
out any restraint.
I toss this in because I believe this is the heart and soul of the
left atheists and humanists. Look at Europe they will betray all to remove all
the last vestiges of the church, they will hand the continent to Muslims if
need be to get the job done. Why would anyone want to do a study to remove
faith? In England In Oxford
Not to many years ago they were deprogramming people from various
things but people of faith are different and the techniques do not work well.
They are looking to cure people of God.
This is not the end but the beginning of many steps.