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from Augustine St,
Augustine said “The (sexual) union,
then, of male and female for the purpose of procreation is the natural
good of marriage. But he makes a bad use of this good (Sexual union)
who uses it bestially, (As part of man’s primal or base instincts aka “The Evil Urge”)
This is speaking so that his intention is on the gratification of lust,
instead of (being
solely upon) the desire of (creating) offspring. On Marriage and Concupiscence
book 1 chapter 3 St,
Augustine said: Although even men without faith possess
this palpable blessing of nature (Sexual union),
yet, since they use it not in faith, (Very deep and interesting concept of which the writer was clueless
of.) they only turn
it to evil and sin. (Augustine here is speaking of the marital bed being in complete defilement
– but clearly in Genesis and again in Noah the command of God to be
fruitful and to multiply was given to all men – and to use a Hebrew
word here therefore it is all Mitzvah whether on a saved or unsaved
bed.)
In like manner, therefore, the marriage of believers converts to the
use of righteousness that carnal concupiscence (Sexual union) by which "the
flesh lusteth against the Spirit." (Only when used “Most sparingly”
as prescribed his other quotes.) On Marriage and Concupiscence
book 1 chapter 5 St,
Augustine said: (Speaking of unbeleivers)
However circumspect they be in their cohabitation,(Sexual relations) (Even when)
studiously
limiting it (Sexual
relations) to (only) the begetting of children, - (Unbeleivers)
really have no conjugal chastity
(This
term and doctrine is in utter defiance of the Mitzvah of God and Paul
recounting that the Husband and wife are to be in constant sexual relations
– except when upon a vow and that is for only a few days.) in themselves. For inasmuch
as chastity is a virtue, (Abstinence from sex of married people is not a Mtizvah
– it is a disobedience that cursed by God.) hating unchastity (sexual using) as its (conjugal chastity’s)
contrary vice, and as all the virtues (even those whose operation is
by means of the body)(Childbirth)
have their seat in the soul, (He is saying that sex is of the soul and thus eternally corrupt)
how (then)
can the body (Of
a believer or unbeliever that partakes of such vile affections)
be in any true sense said to be chaste, when the soul itself (in having sexual relations)
is committing fornication against the true God? On Marriage and Concupiscence book 1 chapter
5 St,
Augustine said: For it certainly was not just that obedience
should be rendered by his servant, that is, his body, to him, who had
not obeyed his own Lord. Well, then, how significant
is the fact that the eyes, and lips, and
tongue, and hands, and feet, and the bending of back, and neck, and
sides, are all placed within our power – (Augustine here seems to know of a variety of sexual
acts and sexual positions that a “chaste virginal monk” should not.) to be applied to such operations (Sexual relations)
as are suitable (Made suitable by God expressly
for such acts.) to
them, when we have a body free from impediments and in a sound state
of health; but when it must come to man’s great function of the procreation
of children the members (Man’s
penis and the woman’s vagina) which were expressly created for this purpose
(These
male and female organs) will not obey the direction of the (human)
will, but lust has to be waited for to set
these members in motion, (Augustine has no recognition that it is God that programmed into
men and women such sexual libido aka desires. The squelching of those desires/libido is tantamount of quenching the spirit.) as if it had legal right over them, (Resisting the devil, and resisting
temptation is not resisting sexual union in marriage)
and sometimes it refuses to act when the mind wills, (So Augustine here declares that
in his own experience that sexual orgasmic union can not be always had
at the drop of a hat. – Once again he does not seem to be aware why
this is or isn’t – He is saying it comes like the wind.) while often
it acts against its will! (He is speaking here of his continual
bouts with sex – Augustine was married and after he converted he left
his wife and children and became a monk is express disobedience to the
words of Paul and Christ.) Must not this (God created, God ordained, and
God commanded, Sexual desire / Libido that results in unbridled sexual
union in the bonds of matrimony) bring the
blush of shame over the freedom of the human will, that by (The existence of such love between
a man and his wife – as Christ so loves his bride the church)
its contempt of God, its own Commander, (This cry of anguish in Augustine is oh so Talmudic
– as his flesh can not live by the doctrines and traditions imposed
upon him by men.) it
has lost all proper command for itself over its own (Sexual) members? (And their God created, God ordained, and God commanded
functions.) On Marriage and Concupiscence book 1 chapter
7 St,
Augustine said: This, then, was the reason why the first
human pair, (Adam
and his wife –whom God had commanded to be fruitful and multiply)
on experiencing in the flesh that motion (The motion of sexual intercourse) which was indecent because (Of Adam and Eve being) disobedient. And on feeling the shame
of their nakedness, covered these offending members with fig-leaves; in order that, at the very least,
by the will of the ashamed offenders, a veil might be thrown over
that which was put into (sexual) motion without the will of those who wished it: (This notion of an uncontrollable
animal urge day and night for sex does not really exist in nature, it
is straight out of the Talmud as related to their perverted sexual beliefs
concerning gentiles.) and since shame arose
from what indecently pleased (Sexual arousal via viewing each others naked flesh),
decency might be attained by concealment.(The only way to stop themselves from having continual
sex [unto death by Augustine’s reasoning] was to cover themselves)
For
Augustine to suggest such things demonstrates how filled with lust,
and how tormented his soul was in trying to fulfill the demands of Talmudic
Asceticism – so that he might enter into an imagined state of pharisaical
spiritual bliss. On
Marriage and Concupiscence book 1 chapter 7 St, Augustine said: This disease of concupiscence (Augustine has no recognition
that it is God that programmed into men and women such sexual libido
aka desires. The squelching of those desires/libido
is tantamount of quenching the spirit.)is what the
apostle refers to, when, speaking to married believers, he says: (1 Thessalonians 4:3-5) "This
is the will of God, even your C, that ye should abstain from fornication:
that every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification
and honour; not in the disease of
desire (KJV
Lust of concupiscence Greek Pathei [Pathos
– To be affected by something in a good or bad way, to suffer or be
afflicted – Christ learned by the things he suffered, Paul was afflicted
but it was the grace of God] Epi-Thumias [Epi – Springing upon
from, Thumiaas To set one heart upon, to desire
and long for, to desire earnestly] To be affected by ones desires. or
to trained up by the bit and bridal of ones desires as the gentiles
– is not limited to sex – Note that only in the Talmud is this assertion
of the preoccupation with sexual lust by the gentiles made.) even as the Gentiles which know not God."
-- he must know that even his own vessel is
not to be possessed in the disease of carnal
concupiscence. And this counsel is not to
be understood as if the apostle prohibited conjugal - that is to say,
lawful and honourable - cohabitation; but
so as that that cohabitation (which would have no adjunct of unwholesome
lust, were it not that man’s perfect freedom of choice had become by
preceding sin so disabled that it has this fatal adjunct) should not
be a matter of will, but of necessity, without which, nevertheless,
it would be impossible to attain to the fruition of the will itself
in the procreation of children. On
Marriage and Concupiscence book 1 chapter 9 We will make some comments here
on what Augustine is teaching and how he was no scholar of the Greek New Testament nor was he a Scholar of the Greek
Septuagint. Epi-thumia
Genesis
31:30 And
now, though thou wouldest needs be gone, because
thou sore longedst
after thy father's house, yet wherefore hast thou stolen
my gods? Genesis
49:6 O
my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine
honour, be not thou united: for in their anger they slew a
man, and in their selfwill
they digged down a wall. Psalm
127:3-5 3Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.
4 As arrows
are in the hand of a mighty man; so are children of the youth. 5 Happy is the man that hath his quiver full
of them: they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies
in the gate. Psalm 126:3-5 (Septuagint) Behold the inheritance of the Lord –Children,
the reward of the fruit of the womb. As arrows in the hand of a mighty
man so are the children of those that were outcasts. Blessed is the man who shall satisfy (Plerosei
– fully satisfy or sate) his desire (Epi-thumia) with (Procreating them) them, they
(He
and his children) shall not be ashamed when they speak
with their (He and his children) enemies
in the gates.
(Because of their number they shall be a force to recon with) Psalm 103:5 Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things; so that thy youth is renewed like the eagle's. Psalm 102:5 (Septuagint) Who satisfies (Empiplonta
– To satisfy, To sate, To have full enjoyment.) thy desire (Epi-Thumia) with good (Agathos – virtuous, blessed, or fruitfulness) things (Not
in Greek) so that thy youth shall be renewed
like that of the eagle. Psalm
38:9-10
Lord, all my desire (Epi-Thumia) is before thee; and my groaning
is not hid from thee. My heart panteth, my strength faileth
me: as for the light of mine eyes, it also is gone from me. My lovers (Philoi) and my friends (7453 Rea Neighbor, 7453
Rea To shout, --Those close to you who you
would call upon for aid.) stand aloof from my sore (5061
Nega – Plague [My time of trouble}); and my kinsmen
stand afar off. Thou shalt love (Agapeo)
thy neighbor (7453 Rea Neighbor,
7453 Rea To shout, --Those close to you who
you would call upon for aid.) as thyself been
driven back to its core believers in the Fundamentalist, Pentecostal
and Charismatic church. that
no lapse occur into damnable sins; that is, into fornications and adulteries.
To escape this evil, even such embraces of husband and wife as have
not procreation for their object, but serve an overbearing concupiscence, are permitted, (This phrase “Is Permitted” is found nowhere in the New Testament.
It is a term specifically used in the Talmud. Dealing
with the Sages and Rabbi’s extra-biblical doctrines and teachings that
they expected common believers to obey.) On
Marriage and Concupiscence book 1 chapter 16 Our final comments are that John Calvin and Martin Luther were
sworn monks of the Order of |