CNN Politics
Larry King Show
April 8, 2009
Never in all of modern history has a
Spirit-Filled, Born Again preacher, the son of a Spirit-filled, Born Again
preacher spoke in favor of Homosexuality, Lesbianism, Gay and Lesbian Marriage,
and Gay and Lesbian adoption of Children.
Never in all of modern history has a
Spirit-Filled Born Again preacher declared such a man as Obama loves Jesus
Christ, and that he is following his beliefs in Christ in his wholesale
destruction of the nation and the church.
The only deed comparable to this was the Pope and Catholic bishops’ proclamation
in 330 AD of
If Joel Osteen is not the false prophet that will proclaim the antichrist as
God and to be worshipped; certainly one that is cut from the same cloth as this
man will arise and do so.
(CNN) -- Joel Osteen is the senior pastor
for the
The Osteens, known for their
optimistic outlook on life, visited "Larry King Live" Tuesday night
for a wide-ranging interview that covered President Obama, same-sex marriage,
the recent outbreak of mass shootings, the state of religion in
The following interview has been
edited for brevity and clarity:
Larry
King: Since
you were last on, we have sworn in our first African-American president. What
are your impressions [of Barack Obama]?
Joel
Osteen: Well, I think he's doing a great job. I'm impressed with his skill, his calmness, his just
strength under pressure. These are tough times for him.
King: And you, Victoria?
Victoria Osteen: I've been really
impressed. In fact, I've been impressed [with] the first lady. She stepped up,
and she's done a remarkable job.
King: Recent polls show 12 percent
of Americans still believe Obama is a Muslim, and 35 percent say they don't
know his religion, but to most of them it don't matter. Should it matter?
Joel
Osteen: Well, it matters to me. It matters to me that I know he loves the Lord, and I think it's important
that he has convictions from his faith. So to me, it matters when I'm making my
personal decisions. (How has Joel Osteen determined
that Obama loves Jesus Christ? How has Joel Osteen determined Obama’s pro-abortion
pro-homosexual, pro-muslim anti-christian,
socialist marxist agenda is
Obama’s faith convictions from knowing and loving Jesus Christ? This is
possibly the most amoral, corrupt, and perverted statements of calling that
which is evil – good, that has come out of the mouth of any modern preacher.)
King: Does it matter to you,
Victoria?
Victoria
Osteen: It
does. It matters to me. ... I believe he is a Christian.
King: The "Hope for Today
Bible." This is a new Bible [from you]. How is this different from other
Bibles?
Joel
Osteen: It's
a living translation of the Bible, which is an easy version to read. And then
it's got our notes besides certain passages. And it's just to help people maybe
to understand the Bible a little bit easier.
King: Do you think that
eventually many more states are going to allow same-sex marriage?
Joel
Osteen: You know, I don't know where it's all going ... I'd love to see it stay
between a male and a female, not knocking anybody else. (Joel Osteen is publicly
stating before all of unsaved
King: Supposing there were more
states that had it. What would be the harm?
Victoria
Osteen: We
really want to see marriage between a man and a woman. There [are] going to be
people who get together and have relationships and have what they call their
families. But I just think marriage should be sanctified by the church. It
should be between a man and a woman.
King: Should a gay
couple be allowed to adopt?
Joel
Osteen: I think
that, again, it's best for a male and a female. I'm not saying
that gay people aren't good people. ... (Joel Osteen declares here gay couples, and lesbian couples “Are good
people” – and while they may not be the best they should be allowed to adopt.)
King: Or good parents.
Joel Osteen: Yeah, exactly. (Joel Osteen here declares gay couples and lesbian couples are “Good Parents for
adoption) But
again, I like to shoot for God's best, and that is a father and a mother in the
home. It doesn't always happen. I know a lot of people raised by single
parents. And you know what? We bless them and pray for them as well. But I
think God's best is a male and female.
King: In the new issue of Newsweek,
the lead story by Jon Meacham is "The Decline and Fall of Christian America." Just off the premise of
that headline, do you accept that? That Christian America is in
trouble? (We have
addressed this issue repeatedly concerning the
Joel
Osteen: I'm
trying to think where he's coming from. ... I see faith in
King: The Newsweek
article quotes our Albert Mohler Jr. And he's
president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. And he said, "The
so-called Judeo-Christian consensus of the last millennium has given way to a
post-modern, post-Christian, post-Western cultural crisis which threatens the
heart of our very culture."
Joel
Osteen: Well, he's a smart man and I respect him. You know, maybe what he's saying
is true. . . (Osteen when close questioned, quickly
back tracks -- and
then tosses out another colossal jewel of ignorance)
King: What do you make of these
mass shootings?
Joel Osteen: You know, it's really sad. People get deranged. People get confused. ... I believe
there are dark forces in our world. There are evil forces that, unfortunately,
we can give into. And some of it is just from depression, just that mental
illness.
King: Do you pray for them,
Victoria? The shooters?
Victoria
Osteen: Oh, absolutely.
You've got to pray for them. They're obviously tormented. They're deceived and
not cherishing life. ... So yeah, we do pray for them.
King: We've had a mass depression
in this country, recession. Do you think that might be at the core of some of
these things?
Victoria
Osteen: I
think it is. When you've lost your job and you've just been beaten down and you
don't see any future, it's easy to start letting those negative thoughts play.
... You don't have anything to live for. It's never going to get any better.
And I think that if you don't watch it, you'll just spiral down and down and
down.
And that is why we feel so strongly
about just giving people hope. Even at your lowest moment, you never know what
God can do. He can turn any situation around. You can be just one night from
getting the break you need, getting the job you want.
King: How do you deal with death,
having to console people [who are] dying?
Joel
Osteen: Well,
it's difficult. But Larry, we have the hope of heaven. We believe we'll see our
loved ones again. And as hard as it is, we'll just try to encourage people that
death is just a separation. ... I lost my dad 10 years ago, and he was my best
friend. But it's amazing the peace that God gave me. So I believe that God can
give you a strength and a new beginning.
King: Where do you believe he is?
Joel
Osteen: I
believe he's in heaven.
King: Which is a
place. ...
Joel Osteen: I believe it's a real place. ...
You've had people on a lot about near death experience, and I've talked to them
too, how they've had an accident and all of a sudden, they're up watching
themselves. And I believe that our spirit's on the inside.
My belief as a Christian is
when we receive Christ as salvation that that gives us a guarantee for heaven.